Showing posts with label Weekly Topic: Hockey and Religion. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Weekly Topic: Hockey and Religion. Show all posts

Friday, January 12, 2007

It's like... Justice

  1. What's the last thing you bought yourself, just for fun?
  2. How many keys do you carry?
  3. If you had to sell your soul for one thing, what would it be?
  4. What is one talent or skill you don't have but always wanted?
  5. If you could have the world's largest collection of one thing, what would it be?

The last thing that I bought for myself, just for fun, was a new purse, that was ridiculously expensive, but its so damned hot that I had to have it.

I carry about 8 keys. A couple are for work, a couple are for my car, a couple are for my house, and a couple are for my Mom's house and car.

If I HAD to sell my soul for one thing, it would probably be to be a wealthy, published, successful author. I really want to write books for a living some day.

Most of the talents and skills I've always wanted revolved around being better at the sports I participated in. You know that kid that had enough talent to be competitive but could never win a damned thing? Yeah. That was me.

I would love to have the world's largest collection of hockey memorabilia. Or failing that (if that's not specific enough) the largest collection of autographed hockey Jerseys.

*^&*^&*^&

So you'll probably notice that I haven't answered the Weekly Topic.

This would be because I'm a leftist tree hugging hippy (at least that's what Americans I've talked to have called me, along with a sinner, enemy of the USA and a freak) so I believe in Religious Freedom, and anything that people should be open to any career regardless of their religion.

If he's good enough, he should be allowed to play. How hard would it be for the league schedule-makers to try to ensure that they didn't play on Friday nights? And that their games had a late start on Saturdays? Or that they played on Sunday afternoons? It could be done.

In my line of work, we have a saying. Treating people the same isn't the same as treating people FAIRLY.

You have to take in account individual differences, and you have to make accommodations for them. He's an Orthodox Jew and he has a right to both play hockey and practice his religion. There should be NO question of choice.

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Wednesday, January 10, 2007

he has friends in high places

There's not much I can say about this that the other ladies haven't covered yet...but here's my version anyway. Since everyone's disclosing their beliefs here, I'm going to succumb to peer pressure...I'm Christian (also of the non-freak variety, like Heather B), and I do think it's pretty impressive of him to hold fast to his beliefs, especially since he's probably all too aware of what's at stake.

Should Rubin put aside his religion for a chance to play in the NHL?
Sure, but only if he wants to. I don't really see how the two must be mutually exclusive (although admittedly, I don't have a deep understanding of Judaism). Maybe because Sundays are supposed to be our day of rest but it's not really adhered to that strictly. But anyway, if it's vital that he sits out those days, then I suppose he's going to have to make a choice. I'm suspecting though, that his religion is more important to him.

Should the league support players who follow a religion to sit out games?
No...everyone has limitations on what they can and cannot do, and it'd be impossible for the world to accommodate everyone. Ok, so it's not exactly the same, but is it discriminatory that the NHL isn't open to women (with the exception of that goalie way back...and it wasn't a real game either)? I think it's up to him to figure out how to adapt.

Should it be up to the GM, coach or player to decide if he should play?
This issue should be addressed before he's signed. There should be no forcing of any kind. I think the three should have some sort of agreement that they can all live with.

Is it discriminatory to make a player get on the ice?
If he's been signed with the full awareness that he will not be participating on certain days, then yes. The GM knew what he was taking on.

So basically, I don't think the NHL owes it to him at all to make his life easier. That being said, if he manages to make it there, he shouldn't have to abandon his religious practices either.

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You mean hockey isn't a religion? - A Human Resources Perspective



As a Christian, I'm not sure if I should find this amusing or offensive


I thought I'd approach this week's topic from a different approach and actually attempt to use what I've learned in Human Resources management class. My professor would be so proud. Or ashamed.

Everybody knows that discrimination on the grounds of religion is prohibited. The new CBA [opens in .pdf file] doesn't say much about players having to miss practices for religious obligations because it should be pretty obvious that the league has no right to tell them they can't. It's seen as a fundamental freedom and protected under all Human Rights acts. Benjamin Rubin shouldn't have to compromise his religious beliefs in order to accommodate his career. If he does get passed over in the draft simply because there was not a sufficient scouting report out on him, he could say that the scouts didn't meet their duty to accommodate. If the scouts say that they want to give every junior player a chance, then it shouldn't be too much of a burden on them to go to more games in the middle of the week.

Duty to Accommodate - It is a requirement that the employer accommodate the employee not to the point of "undue hardship." NHL scouts are a little bit different as before the junior players are drafted, they are not considered employees of the NHL. However, professional scouts attending only games on the weekend where Rubin is sitting out can be seen as indirect or systemic discrimination.

Systemic Discrimination in the work force is allowed if the point of contention is seen as a Bona Fide Occupational Requirement (BFOR). A BFOR is a job requirement that legally overrides human rights protection. They're allowed when abilities needed to carry out the essential job requirements are related to a prohibited ground. For example, if an employee's religious commitments require wearing a turban and the job requires that the employee wear a hard hat or helmet for safety reasons, then it is legally acceptable for the employer to refuse to hire that candidate.

Criteria Used to Assess BFOR
The appropriateness of BFORs are assessed on 3 things:
1) Is the standard rationally connected to the performance of the job?

2) Was the standard established in an honest belief that it was necessary to accomplish the purpose identified in stage 1?

3) Is the standard reasonably necessary to accomplish its purpose?

So then what is the BFOR of a NHL player? The job required of a NHL player is the product they ultimately produce on the ice in game time situations. Thus, it requires that the player actually be present. In BFOR situations, the burden of proof shifts to the employer to prove that the requirement is essential to completing the job.

Rubin is a promising young player but is still years away from making an impact. In 27 games with the Quebec Remparts he has 3 goals and 0 assists. If it comes to be that he turns into a superstar player and his absence greatly damages the success of the team and the product on the ice, then teams could make an argument that his salary should be going towards somebody who can actually attend all games and practices.

On the flip side, given that his religious obligations don't directly effect his performance, the fact that he has to sit out a number of practices and games shouldn't be an issue. If the League doesn't schedule games for certain major holidays, then there should be no reason why players who celebrate different holidays cannot sit out when needed. It is hard to say in a hypothetical situation whether or not the amount of games and practices Rubin sits out will effect the team chemistry and his relationship with his teammates.

Rubin believes that his talents were God-given and that hockey is what he is meant to do. He wants to continue to play hockey as a means of glorifying God and he should be given every opportunity to do so. If he feels that his spiritual life might suffer as a result of his hockey career, then that's his decision to make. I hope for his sake that it doesn't come down to one or the other. However, the League doesn't have to change the way it runs things and no employer would change their regulatory operations for only one person. If Rubin is drafted by a team and the coach finds that his development isn't progressing because of the time he misses, he will most likely not be given quality minutes or even be benched. At the junior level, that doesn't seem to be an issue for him as Patrick Roy, his coach still very much believes in his abilities. At the professional level, it may be a different story.

The League employs hundreds of players who all have different needs and it is impossible for them to accommodate every single one and that is why a specific standard has to be set. If he were a goalie, it would make it easier for him to split shifts with somebody and it wouldn't be as disruptive. The fact is, he's a forward and unless he's an immediate impact player, teams will most likely not be clamouring for him. Unfortunately, it's become a startling trend that the league does make allowances for certain people. The way I see it, if playing professional hockey is really what he is meant to do, then God will create a way for him.

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Tuesday, January 09, 2007

The 'Higher' State of Hockey

I am going to preface my answers on this week's challenge with my own standing on religion to better understand where my answers are coming from. I was born and raised Catholic. I still consider myself Catholic. However, I do not necessarily believe in the institution of the Catholic Church. My slogan for a bumper sticker says it all -- "Religion is a business. Faith is not."


Should Rubin put aside his religion for a chance to play in the NHL? That's entirely up to him. He has to decide what is more important to him. Unfortunately, we all have to make sacrifices for what we want in life. Religion is no exception. I know most other restrictive religions don't participate in sports for that reason.


Should the league support players who follow a religion to sit out games? It's not like it's a secret on how organized sports work. I think they should allow anyone to play who wants to play. But a player with religious obligations should understand because they will be missing games/practices, it could be detrimental to the team. So if there is some sort of compromise worked out in the beginning and everyone is on board with it, there's no reason to keep the kid from playing.


Should it be up to the GM, coach or player to decide if he should play? All. Again, it's not just about one person. It's about that one person's obligations affecting others (i.e. team, coach, G.M., etc.).


Is it discriminatory to make a player get on the ice? I don't believe anyone can MAKE a player play. But yes, I think it would be discriminatory if a player was 'bullied' into playing against his/her will by his/her G.M., coach or teammates. If the player has chosen not to play, for whatever reason, those wishes should be respected. And that is certainly one major aspect lacking in all professional sports -- respect.

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Hockeyin' it down on the Heathen tip, y'all.

Hail, I'm the AcidQueen and I'm Asatru.

(Hail, AQ!)

Now that we've established that I'm probably the only follower of a "non-mainstream" religion in these parts (and that I'd appreciate it if you'll just keep that bowl of hot coals away from my midsection*)....

I don't think that comparing Benjamin Rubin to Patrick O'Sullivan (as Jordi did) is really a fair comparison. From what I understand and have been told by various people, teams passed O'Sullivan over specifically because they didn't want to deal with the kid's father (who has demonstrated through repeated attempts to contact his son that he's more than willing to violate the 29374 restraining orders that are outstanding on him). It wasn't the kid himself, it was the baggage that lives about an hour away from me in Winston-Salem (which, by the way, is why the Hurricanes passed on him--they liked his skills, but neither they nor the Wake County Sheriff's Department could guarantee the kid's safety).

This isn't the same thing. It's kinda-sorta-maybe-not-really close, but not the same thing.

I can see teams wanting to take a chance on Benjamin Rubin if he's got teh leet skillz--but his career's going to be limited because of his strict adherence to his faith, which I'm sure he understands.

I think he also understands that at the heart of it all, this isn't a religious issue; it's an issue of practicality. If a rabbi will give Benjamin Rubin a dispensation of some sort so that he can play or practice on the Sabbath, great--the sky is the limit for him and I am sure that he will become a wonderful example for young Jewish kids everywhere.

But if not? I think that he's pretty much going to be a fourth-liner for his entire career--which is unfortunate, but also the only in which he'll be able to even have an NHL career.

Just my two cents.

*: Historical points to anyone who got that.

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When I think of a very devout Jew...

t.com

Booyakasha!

Okay now that I've gotten over myself well I just thought of this guy. Because there had been a day where I read Rolling Stone's cover story on Sacha Baron Cohen. Despite his talent in portraying a twit, he is a devout Jew who will set aside everything for his religion - especially shabbat.

Of course for poor old Rubin, he's not a famous star and people won't bend over backwards for him. But maybe he can hope or create a compromise. I mentioned in a comment that he's not draft-material. GMs examine everything - from the child's environment to his play. So Rubin's basically gotta be an awesome player or else. O'Sullivan, the poor kid who will turn white at the sight of his abusive father, gained no sympathy from GMs as they were more than happy to pass over him in the first round - even when he was more than qualified.

*EDIT*: Had a brain fart and for some reason kept thinking he was a goalie. Of course he's not. I'm just too hopped up on happy pills and I'm OD-ing soon.

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Monday, January 08, 2007

Faith and hockey

I pretty much agree with what everyone else has said regarding this topic of faith and hockey. As a born again Christian, my beliefs are extremely important to me. However, I don't share Rubin's Orthodox Jew beliefs, which say that he must rest on the Sabbath. While I can certainly respect his decision to honor his beliefs and choose not to play on that day, I can only imagine what that could do to the chemistry of the team (like someone else mentioned in a prior post).

If I was a GM of a team and could draft or sign one of two players who were equal in skill, why would I sign someone who can't work one out of every seven days of the week? I admire his conviction to stay true to his faith, but I don't see him earning a job in the NHL because of it.

If Rubin can find a team that wants him on their team, good for him. I have no problems with that. I just wonder if Rubin will stop playing after awhile when he realizes that he won't be able to advance to a higher level of play because managers aren't willing to take a chance on a kid who can't play one day of the week.

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What's the call when a player observes a religion?

To understand my position on religion, internets, you have to understand that I went to Catholic school for 12 long years, and you have to understand that while yes, Catholic schoolgirls DO have that reputation for a reason, being immersed in such a skewed religious environment all. the. time. just beat any care I had about it right out of me.

That said, my gut reaction to this story is, why is it a story in the first place? Have we really hit the bottom of the barrel where we have to turn something like this into a story? I can't argue that hockey is separate from religion, because that would make me a hypocrite: anyone who knows me will tell you that hockey is my religion and any ice rink is my church. Discussing players, teams, and transactions can get just as heated as debating God and church doctrine if you're discussing it with a smart fanatic.

Yes, his devotion and his need for concessions does affect his teammates, and that's not fair, but neither is it fair when a teammate gets himself ousted from a game or gets suspended from a game. And yes, I did just compare reserving a sweet place in heaven to a goon.

But more then arguing what the call should over this, I'm too busy being indignant that this is a news story. Maybe it's because I don't think about religion because it's not a part of my life, or maybe it's because I like to pretend that society has progressed beyond the point of someone's religion being a news story.

So what do I think the call should be? Two thumbs up until he -or anyone- starts sacrificing virgins at center ice.

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Bad career choice

Hockey and Religion - What's the call when a player observes a religion?

Whoa - serious topic this time! I think maybe Rubin has simply made a poor career choice for himself. If I were a single Mom and I knew that I had to be home in the evenings to be with my kids, I would decline a job in which I had to work long hours, well into the evening. And I certainly wouldn't take the job and then expect my employer to change the rules for me. By the same rationale, Rubin shouldn't have gone for a job in the NHL if he knew it would conflict with his firm religious beliefs. The NHL schedule and requirements have not changed! I'm sure he's an intelligent guy with lots of options and he should have chosen a career path that would accomodate his needs for time off (more of a 9-5 type).

It's like me saying that my dream job is to be an actress but refusing to work the long days required for shoots. Directors wouldn't be falling over themselves to offer me roles...and I doubt that GMs will be falling over themselves to sign Rubin either.

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Sunrise, Sunset

Margee and Rebecca have covered this question pretty well and said most of what I was thinking about earlier today as I read hockeygirl's original post But I'll throw a few things out there.

First of all, as a pretty dedicated Christian (but not a freak, I swear!) I have to say upfront that I have a lot of respect for Benjamin Rubin. It's very tough to go against the grain of society the way he is and I'm sure that, even at the level he's at now, there are coaches, players, parents etc. who aren't down with the whole situation.

Should Rubin have to change his religious practice to play in the NHL? No, absolutely not. If a team thinks he's worth accommodating, they absolutely should be allowed to. I don't think the league has any right to turn away a player based on religious reasons. But Rubin does need to understand that certain organizations aren't going to be comfortable drafting or signing a player who could potentially miss a lot of games and practices. He also needs to be upfront about whether he intends to keep observing the Sabbath as a pro. (And that's not to imply that he wouldn't be upfront because it sounds like he absolutely would be.) A GM who drafts Rubin knowing that he's planning on sitting out the Sabbath also has no right to expect him to change his mind later. You know what you're getting.

If I were a GM would I draft him? No, probably not unless he's a very, very special talent. Even if I as a GM was comfortable with the arrangement it wouldn't mean the coaches or, more importantly, the players would be. I've heard too many forwards talk about how important chemistry can be to think this would go over well with the majority of a team. I'd be pretty unhappy if I had to practice/play with one line 3/4ths of the time and another line 1/4th of the time. It's one thing if things are being switched up due to injuries or ineffectiveness. I'm afraid it might be another thing altogether when things are being switched up to accommodate one player. Some players would respect a guy sitting out for religious reasons, some probably wouldn't. And even the ones who did respect the reasoning might still resent the special treatment or having to work when that player wasn't. As Margee said in her post, resentment can be really bad for a group. In a team sport, I think it's fair to expect every member of the team to be on the same page.

Should Rubin put aside his religion for a chance to play in the NHL? I don't think that's a question anyone but Rubin can answer. I certainly would but I didn't grow up in a home where the Sabbath (or in my case, Sundays) was necessarily considered a day of rest. We usually took it pretty easy but we weren't forbidden from doing anything. So for me practicing or playing on Sundays wouldn't be a huge deal, certainly not huge enough for me to turn my back on a chance to play in the NHL. There are many, many other ways I observe my religion and none of them are day specific. I guess the question ultimately is how important that particular observance is to Rubin.

Definitely some interesting issues and questions.

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Hockey and Religion

Should Benjamin Rubin put aside his religion for a chance to play in the NHL? Should the league support players who follow a religion to sit out games? Should it be up to the GM, coach or player to decide if he should play? Is it discriminatory to make a player get on the ice?

In my mind, this issue comes down to the basic idea that you can’t discriminate against someone because of their religion. Forcing a player to take the ice in direct violation of their religious beliefs goes against everything that we as Americans and Canadians believe in regards to freedom of religion. A person should have the right to practice their religion to the extent that they feel necessary.

Consider it this way – if a person works in an office and is an observant Jew, the assumption would be that he or she would be unable to work weekends or even stay late on a Friday. It is the employer’s responsibility to provide a working environment in which that is possible.

The same applies to sports.

Judaism is a religion based on strict rituals designed to separate out days and times of the year as holier than others, times when your secular life must take a back seat to your faith. I am Jewish and although I’m not anywhere near as observant as Benjamin Rubin, I do take off the two holiest days of the Jewish calendar, Rosh Hoshanah and Yom Kippur. My employer has never had a problem with it, nor would I expect them to. I know that I will be out on certain days and plan accordingly to have my work completed in advance or work overtime to catch up after the holiday. I take it for granted that I will be given the necessary days off to practice my religion.

Last year the issue was raised here in DC when Jeff Halpern was debating whether he should sit out back to back games that took place over Yom Kippur. His eventual decision was to play the night before and attend services the day of Yom Kippur, a decision that was fully supported by the coaching staff and his teammates. For Halpern, that was something he needed to do at the time – although not a particularly religious Jew, he felt it was important that he take off this very sacred day.

In sports it is the job of the GM to pick players that he feels will best help his club have a successful season. If it is known that a certain player will have to miss a certain number of games because of religious purposes, whatever religion that may be, the GM has the right to not pick that player. It’s the same as deciding against a player because of size, inconsistency of play, or tendency towards injury, and in my opinion at least does not constitute discrimination. Having said that – if the GM knowingly selects someone whose religion will prevent him from playing at certain times then insists that the player ignore the religious practices, there is no question in my mind that it would absolutely be discrimination.

It’s hard to say whether Rubin should set aside his religion for the chance to play in the NHL. If he is able to compromise in the way that Halpern and other athletes have compromised in the past, taking certain days off but not others, so be it. He may have been raised more observant but choose to follow his own path away from strict Orthodox practices as he becomes an adult. For some people, though, religion is not a choice but a duty. They would never consider compromising on something they see as so important, something that defines who they are and how they live their lives from day to day. Should they then be punished for their beliefs by not being allowed to at least attempt to fulfill their dream? It's a tough call.

Depending on how far he is able to advance in the hockey world, Rubin will have some difficult realities to face. If he chooses to have a goal of eventually reaching the NHL, he’ll have to come to terms with the fact that some GMs won’t want to gamble on a player who won’t be playing in a good portion of the games. The NHL can't be expected to rearrange the scheduling to fit one player. There is a question of compensation. Some players might be offended by him sitting out so frequently. Fans may react negatively to what could be perceived as not being a team player, regardless of how dedicated he may actually be.

Should Rubin make it to the NHL, I believe he would be the first Orthodox Jew to play in the league (I’ll have to check with my dad, though; he knows all kinds of random stuff like that). Roy was obviously willing to take Rubin in spite of his religious practices – will NHL GMs feel the same? It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out in the future.

Just my two cents...take it for what it's worth :)

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I Don't Know How to Love Him...

Allow me to convert this issue in to a personal parallel. I remember, back in my younger days when I was really into dance, I was in a company with a Seventh-Day Adventist as one of the principal dancers. On Saturdays, when we had these 12 hour rehearsals, he could only come after sunset. And the rest of us would have to stay later while he made up the time. Sometimes we'd have to come in on Sundays to make up for the missed practice. Was that fair to us? No, not really. Did it make us slowly resent him? Yes, it did. Was that resentment good for the company? No. Because we all had to work twice as hard when he wasn't there. By the 14th hour of rehearsal, nobody's pirouhettes were looking tight any more. But we needed him, because, no one was going to lifted, launched, or dipped without this dude. But it was killing the rest of us. I think that the same might happen on a hockey team.
I think Patrick Roy showed some serious balls in taking this kid on, and a lot of understanding in making concessions for him. I can only assume that Benjamin Rubin is really, really good. But I'm incredibly split on this issue.
I think ultimately this has to fall on Benjamin Rubin. Does he love hockey enough to eschew his religious traditions? Because I just don't think it's feasible that an NHL team should allow him to sit out games. I think that to do so would open up a huge can of worms. A devout Christian could make a case for sitting out on Sundays. A Muslim could bow out during Ramadan. People could ask to be excused for games played on Festivus! Plus, there is the issue of payroll. How do you pay a player who is only planning on playing in 3/4 of the games at the start of the season?
Rubin has to decide if hockey is important enough to him. I don't think the NHL should have to switch things around for him.

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Weekly Topic, Jan 8 - 14: Hockey and Religion

Hello ladies! I thought I'd throw a bit of a toughie at you this week. Our topic comes from a story in the January 9th issue of The Hockey News and I believe it will make you think about just as it made me has since I read it.

The article by Nathan White examines a player, Benjamin Rubin, of the Quebec Remparts in the Quebec League of the CHL. Rubin, 17, plays left wing under coach Patrick Roy who signed him as a free agent. Roy had a "tough call" to make upon bringing Rubin to the team - As an Orthodox Jew, Rubin is Shomer Shabbat, meaning he observes the Sabbath as a day of rest from sunset on Friday until sunset on Saturday. Coach Roy allows Rubin to sit out practices or games that fall on the Sabbath or Jewish holidays.

The media attention that this decision has brought to Rubin has led to his parents asking that he not do any more interviews about it. His arrangement means that he is not on the ice on the two nights of the week that most scouts turn up in the stands but Roy believes that Rubin could be selected in the 2007 entry draft.

This brings me to the questions that I have been pondering: Should Rubin put aside his religion for a chance to play in the NHL? Should the league support players who follow a religion to sit out games? Should it be up to the GM, coach or player to decide if he should play? Is it discriminatory to make a player get on the ice?

PS: Don't forget to send your suggestions along for the weekly topic, creative challenge or Friday Five.

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