tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post8881706059517482351..comments2023-08-09T07:03:30.810-05:00Comments on hlog {Hockey's Ladies of Greatness}: Ice Girls: Yay or Nay?Jordihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07150308503869826414noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-33536554846526281942008-04-09T15:40:00.000-05:002008-04-09T15:40:00.000-05:00Hey! I was just referred to this site! I love it! ...Hey! I was just referred to this site! I love it! It's beautiful!<BR/><BR/>Anyways, I just saw this post and I feel strongly about saying NAY! NAY! NAY! They're just annoying. You can't dance on ice... it's called figure skating! And that's fun, but no "ice girls." <BR/><BR/>The Sabres used to have ice girls for like... one season. Then they realized they were corny and Buffalo doesn't need ice girls to fill the stands. <BR/><BR/>I mean no offense to any ice girls. I'm sure it's probably difficult and takes practice, but I still am not into that.<BR/><BR/>I like mascots, I must say. Not stupid ones, but good ones. Like Sabretooth, the cross-eyed Penguin, and Lightening Bug. Awwwwww!danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12957515418097485549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-22661067552019827252008-04-06T15:41:00.000-05:002008-04-06T15:41:00.000-05:00No cheerleading in hockey... its just dumb. We hav...No cheerleading in hockey... its just dumb. We have dancers... they entertain during 2nd intermission by dancin on the ice. I'd rather have something else but whatever, since I smoke I don't watch them anyway. Our girls are not all skinny nor are they all blond bimbettys. I guess you could color me ambivelent on the dance team thing but place me in the nay camp if these chicks start in w/ gimmee a C.<BR/><BR/>We have the Snow Patrol who is coed group that goes around shooting Tshirts, giving out prizes and also encompasses the ice crew that cleans during breaks... I like them better.Z4Dfensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00542996196463663549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-90609951635875307562008-04-03T18:36:00.000-05:002008-04-03T18:36:00.000-05:00I have a favourite ice girl. I have to admit. Ther...I have a favourite ice girl. I have to admit. There's an ice girl in boston who's studying medicine played college hockey and beats every single fan in ice girl v the fan shoot out. she's like 20 - 0 for the season.<BR/><BR/>If we had like a team of her's i'd be okay.<BR/><BR/>And i can't say i'd be above being an ice girl. I'd just be the trashy, loud mouthed, tiny one.Sasky Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546937038411130587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-10845984493553393362008-04-02T20:12:00.000-05:002008-04-02T20:12:00.000-05:00didn't an islander goalie trip up an ice girl last...<I>didn't an islander goalie trip up an ice girl last year and got in trouble? </I><BR/><BR/>That was a Ranger goalie, Henrik Lundqvist. And he "pushed" her... oh, and the rest of the Rangers spit on her and cursed her out. Yeah.<BR/><BR/>Ice girls are a rough subject if you're a Ranger fan from Long Island. So no further comment on that from me.Kerrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04181684589030780235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-85395610181767845452008-04-01T20:12:00.000-05:002008-04-01T20:12:00.000-05:00didn't an islander goalie trip up an ice girl last...didn't an islander goalie trip up an ice girl last year and got in trouble? <BR/><BR/>another question - are ice girls strictly the girls who skate around? we have cheer leader type girls but they mostly stay in the stands wearing mid drift shirts and such. sigh. can't we just watch the damn game and the little kids that come out and play a game during intermission?Elliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02751978963531941338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-82535597176683379802008-04-01T20:10:00.000-05:002008-04-01T20:10:00.000-05:00Anti-Ice Girl. Big fat NAY.As a female fan, I get ...Anti-Ice Girl. Big fat NAY.<BR/><BR/>As a female fan, I get no value-added benefit to their being there because I'm not attracted to them, I don't appreciate the objectification of women, and it does not present the family-friendly image that the NHL says it wants to achieve.<BR/><BR/>(I can't say anything negative about their builds. I buy my clothes from the petites and kiddie sections...sue me.)<BR/><BR/>From my years of marketing and communications work, much of the thought behind a move like this is by and for the type of fan who does <B><I>his</I></B> thinking with his pants. I've seen it first hand! (Remember my comment to Sherry on why the pink jerseys all look the same so that you can't tell which team the female fan represents without being right up on her?)<BR/><BR/>Dare is dead-on with her comment that most ice girls receive little or no pay and spend vastly more trying to maintain the image.<BR/><BR/>My question: Have the teams that have had their ice girls longer and publicize them more conducted any research on ice girl stalking by their "fans?" It's happened with various other professional sport cheerleaders. Much as I love hockey, I don't see it skipping out on this unfortunate phenomenon forever.Nadinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18044218957743824725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-44011070861768191432008-04-01T15:23:00.000-05:002008-04-01T15:23:00.000-05:00Anti-ice girls, anti-"just look away". I think th...Anti-ice girls, anti-"just look away". <BR/><BR/>I think that, regardless of whether or not men make up the majority of fans, utilizing scantily-clad women to appeal to them serves to reinforce the idea of women as something there for men's pleasure, satisfaction, and entertainment. I also think that a significant majority of marketing is directed towards men, which helps to maintain the male-dominated field of sport spectatorship, but that's a topic for a different day. <BR/><BR/>I mean, I can't even say "good for the girls for profiting off the idiotic ogling of men" because the pay they receive is typically ridiculously minimal. I wish I could remember what magazine it was in, but a student of mine brought an article in last semester that really made light of how its pretty much regarded as a "privilege" to be a pro-team cheerleader, that they get paid like crap, and in the end, most have spent more trying to achieve the required cheerleader look than they make doing what they do.<BR/><BR/>The Toronto Marlies have a dance team and it's really creepy to see who watches/follows them. Actually, I find this almost more disconcerting, given that the Marlies are trying to target families/children/etc. as their fan base - what a great message to send...<BR/><BR/>For the record, however, I am cool with mascots.Darehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059456740120789788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-7103707354667357372008-04-01T11:47:00.000-05:002008-04-01T11:47:00.000-05:00KMS: No, ticket prices have gone up because of inf...KMS: No, ticket prices have gone up because of inflation, sustained demand, the joys of being a small market, higher operating costs and the resident population having more than doubled since those early days... <BR/><BR/>I'm just saying ice girls are a way to provide the ticketholder with better perceived value, for a relatively small investment. Whether you choose to perceive it ... up to you :)leannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04302562575472335411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-8623542980022230522008-04-01T10:50:00.000-05:002008-04-01T10:50:00.000-05:00Why have mascots, either, then?Ugh, I can't stand ...<I>Why have mascots, either, then?</I><BR/>Ugh, I can't stand mascots...don't even get me started.<BR/><BR/><I>Since I started watching hockey, ticket prices have gone up 2x to 10x depending on the seat for Flames games, </I><BR/>Leanne, it's nice to hear from a girl who is indifferent. However, have the ticket prices gone up <I>because</I> of the ice girls? I feel like ticket prices go up (and this is just me making assumptions) because franchises are losing money, inflation (prices on most things go up every year), because they can, new arenas, etc...not necessarily because they have ice girls, handout freebies (via Kings Crew or some other way), or provide other entertainment other than a hockey game. <BR/><BR/>Anyone in the business world want to shed some light on this?Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07631663414267137790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-3567363987828525102008-04-01T10:22:00.000-05:002008-04-01T10:22:00.000-05:00No ice girls!! Ever!! In fact, I say down with a...No ice girls!! Ever!! In fact, I say down with all cheerleaders. This is the sort of social pressure, i.e., to be physically perfect from head to toe, that causes girls to go nuts about their appearance. I'm no feminist, but I do think that this sort of promotion reinforces the women-as-objects notion. How can women expect to be taken seriously when they support ice girls (shit - can't they even call them ice women, or is that too threatening?)Lucky13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03090450270156144245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-17055301527178461022008-04-01T10:21:00.000-05:002008-04-01T10:21:00.000-05:00Why have mascots, either, then?Unlike the bulk of ...Why have mascots, either, then?<BR/><BR/>Unlike the bulk of the commenters, I'm mostly indifferent to the whole ice girl phenomenon. Ours aren't particularly over the top, but really, they're no less practical than parka-clad cheerleaders in November in CFL games on the prairies, in temperatures well below zero. <BR/><BR/>I mean, they don't turn my crank, they're not my thing, but I understand why they're there. Since I started watching hockey, ticket prices have gone up 2x to 10x depending on the seat for Flames games, and like the new Jumbotron, and the round-the-rink-lights, and the huge torches that jet out when we score and the lights and the music (I remember when we only had about 5 things the organ could play, in the 80s!), it's about entertain value for the dollar. <BR/><BR/>They need to justify why we pay the same prices for the same game, and part of the answer is, they're giving us a bigger show.<BR/><BR/>So, whatever. I recognized long ago I'm hardly a typical fan, a typical girl, or anywhere near their target demographic...so... <I>shrug</I>. Nobody's forcing me to look at the T&A, and well...nobody's forcing me to be the T&A. For the five minutes during a TV timeout, I can find something else to do.leannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04302562575472335411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-84345672718899452362008-04-01T09:18:00.000-05:002008-04-01T09:18:00.000-05:00Steph, the Kings have always had (for the past sev...Steph, the Kings have always had (for the past several seasons at least) the Kings Crew which is a coed group that give out freebies, get the crowd pumped up, manage intermission shows, etc. If I was a college kid out here I definitely would have tried out to be part of the Kings Crew. There's also a group of guys who do the ice scraping. I have always been fine with that and can't understand why it should change.<BR/><BR/><I>scantily clad male cheerleaders</I><BR/><BR/>I'm cracking up just trying to imagine this.<BR/><BR/>Everyone, thanks for your input!Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07631663414267137790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-87758581306491847602008-04-01T02:48:00.000-05:002008-04-01T02:48:00.000-05:00I am really glad that we don't have them. Instead,...<I>I am really glad that we don't have them. Instead, we have guys AND girls, wearing Wings jerseys and black pants who skate around, scrape the ice, and pick up octopi with their bare hands.</I><BR/><BR/>Why can't we have that here? Why can't everyone have that?! Why do we need Ice Girls? I mean, okay, here's the thing. I don't think I've ever really fully complained and/or ranted about it (aside from the new practice of dancing Ice Girls, which just seems ludicrous to me). I don't really mind having them there for publicity things, honestly. I guess I'm torn on the subject. I don't mind them, but at the same time I get annoyed because of the constant need to have semi-scantily clad women around any male-dominated sport. Let's see scantily clad male cheerleaders at, like, WNBA games or something.Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06753679963630935951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-53380409956152020862008-03-31T22:49:00.000-05:002008-03-31T22:49:00.000-05:00I say Nay because it's stupid and people should go...I say Nay because it's stupid and people should go to the games for the hockey. I think cheerleaders are a useless form of additional entertainment in all sports. Even cheerleading itself as a "sport" does not impress me. Dancing, yes. Human pyramids, yes. Give me an L, no. But hey, I'm sure there are some who appreciate it solely for its athletic value and they may do so at cheerleading tournaments. Keep it out of other sports and the NHL. It doesn't belong in the NBA any more than the NHL, it's just that people have gotten used to it in basketball and football. Let's not corrupt more sporting events. And let's not fool ourselves into thinking cheerleading is about much more than the objectification of the female body.Shanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09720024916714288188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-906513230510695202008-03-31T21:59:00.000-05:002008-03-31T21:59:00.000-05:00KMS2, every point you make is valid. They serve no...KMS2, every point you make is valid. They serve no purpose other then the off chance that they <I>might</I> bring in a few fans. And I really dont even think that is true. No one stand in the freezing cold to get tix to a Giants game to see the cheerleaders, they do it for the game. So what is the benefit to having Ice Girls at hockey? Nothing. The Caps have been considering doing it too and I swear that I will have to re-consider my season tix if they do.Shmeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08671760537010752339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-50449268485110940832008-03-31T21:42:00.000-05:002008-03-31T21:42:00.000-05:00Anti-Ice Girl! NAY!There is no need for the North ...Anti-Ice Girl! NAY!<BR/><BR/>There is no need for the North American culture to be litered with half naked (SKINNEY! and BLONDE!) females. How about real girls, who have hips and the occasional zit. How about the lack of appeal to female fans, who don't get to watch half naked males prance all over the ice. Put the players in speedos, and then we'll talk. No, wait, that would have more to do with a hockey game than ice girls do.<BR/><BR/>Listen, I was mad enough last season when they picked on my goaltender (*lol*). Even cheerleaders, I mean, they ahve a point. They do atheletic stuff. Ice girls have no point but to sell sex... and to think hockey is now pushing to be a family sport, and no more "(Players Name) SUCKS!" chants. <BR/><BR/>But it's OK to show girls that dressing like a slut can get you somewhere in life? It's OK to show little Islander or Predator fans that they have to be skinney skinney, and blonde, and beautiful, otherwise they don't count?<BR/><BR/>Give me a heavy ice girl and maybe I'll change my mind. Give me an ice girl without a model's body and who is smart, and who IS a good role model. Then, maybe I'll change my mind.<BR/><BR/>What about us? The disenfranchised female fan of the wonderful sport of hockey. The fans who don't see people like themselves playing the game on a professional level, the fans who don't see coaches like them or announcers like them. This is how we're suppose to to be recognized?<BR/><BR/>No thank you.Kerrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04181684589030780235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-36414518466216803472008-03-31T21:15:00.000-05:002008-03-31T21:15:00.000-05:00Word sister. I'm sick of them flipping to the ice ...Word sister. I'm sick of them flipping to the ice girls on the side during the Blackhawks games. It simply gets me mad because those girls don't even pretend to care about the game. All they do is blow kisses at the camera, jump up and down, and, frankly, look like stupid bimbos. How stupid of a concept is girls wearing nothing trying to shovel snow. I think it gives a terrible impression of female """""fans""""". Because, in essence, they are representing the """"feminine""""" side of hockey and they do a terrible job at it. They smile, wear revealing clothes, have perfect bodies and are, generally, beautiful. I just want to punch some of them in the face.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35329786.post-39641384179698692432008-03-31T21:09:00.000-05:002008-03-31T21:09:00.000-05:00I am really glad that we don't have them. Instead...I am really glad that we don't have them. Instead, we have guys AND girls, wearing Wings jerseys and black pants who skate around, scrape the ice, and pick up octopi with their bare hands.<BR/><BR/>Heck <I>I</I> wouldn't be ashamed to do that job.Stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03419839042209569051noreply@blogger.com